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This summer Turner Classic Movies has been running films with the banner “Summer Under the Stars.” On Sunday, August 22, actor John Mills was profiled. The major film that evening was David Lean’s Ryan’s Daughter. Mills won an Oscar for his wordless performance as the character Michael, as did cinematographer Freddie Young, who won all three of his Academy Awards on consecutive Lean films.
The screening was preceded by a documentary about the movie’s making. Ryan’s Daughter was photographed in 65mm. Early on, Young’s Super Panavision camera is shown tracking atop sea cliffs outside the village of Killary. After the sweeping skies of the title sequence, the opening image of the film is an extreme long shot of those cliffs.
That tiny speck, hardly visible in the frame grab above, moving along the ridge toward the cliff edge, is actress Sarah Miles chasing her parasol which has just been swept over the cliff. On the 32 inch TV in my Anchorage hotel room, I could barely discern a human figure. The next shot was closer on her. I wisely decided to shut off the TV right then. How can you watch a film photographed in this scale on television?

On location in Ireland on "Ryan's Daughter," Freddie Young, BSC (left) and Director David Lean (right).
Earlier in the day, I had just finished writing the first part of this two-part essay on the changing role of the cinematographer; I was still thinking about how to introduce Nicolas DH this week, as promised; he’s the filmmaker who created the Cinematographer vs. Producer video; we had been emailing each other for several weeks. Nicolas is of a generation of filmmakers who have come of age in the HD-DV era, one that readily accepts the smaller, cheaper cameras as a sort of birthright, and as sometimes the only tools to make their movies. Given the changing imagery of feature films these past decades (quicker cutting, a truncated sense of space and time, greater use of close-ups and avoidance of wide shots as anything other than a quick place marker), I wondered whether anyone would consider today (even in 35mm) opening a movie with a shot like the “lost in the landscape” figure of Sarah Miles in Ryan’s Daughter— so much has the film grammar changed. But the easy mobility of shooting with these newest DV cameras does come with a price— in often badly compromised resolution, extreme contrast in sunny exteriors and narrow color and exposure latitude. But, yes, these mini-cameras can make possible previously near impossible shots.
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Once I had made contact with filmmaker Nicolas D. Harvard, it became evident that the dialectical debate in his video reflected not just an articulate young man’s personal perspective; it also nailed with humor the cinematic dilemmas of his generation. Nicolas agreed to respond to questions I asked him, in the course of which he decided to step out of the guise of his video’s characters—and speak as himself. Although much of the video does come out of his own experience, overheard and under shooting conditions, neither of us aims to abuse any particular camera system or to extol another. What we do hope is that the following discussion will be a springboard for your own thoughts, not just about specific film or video cameras, but about the wider perspective of the role of the cinematographer today.
Nic Harvard studied film history at the Sorbonne Nouvelle in Paris. He worked in Paris in 2000, eventually landing a job as an assistant director trainee on the Franco Zefirelli film, Callas Forever, starring Fanny Ardant and Jeremy Irons. This began his career as an AD. To date, he has over twenty credits, notable among them being The Hurt Locker. He just finished an indie drama in June, From the Head. Nicolas is 29.
John Bailey: Nic, what prompted you to make the Cinematographer vs. Producer video?
Nic Harvard: Although I’m an AD, I’ve loved cinematography since the moment I started making movies, and I’ve kept in touch with it over the years. So when a friend asked me to shoot his low budget feature, I was a little surprised, but jumped at the challenge. When I found out that they wanted to use a 7D, I was intrigued, if a little skeptical. What ensued was a daily struggle to make this movie look any good. For some reason, which I don’t pretend to grasp, the 7D/5D phenomenon has perpetuated several rather off-putting fallacies about these cameras: “you don’t need lights”, “you don’t need much of a crew”, “you don’t need camera accessories”, “it will make everything go faster”. I fielded these misconceptions as best I could for the duration of the shoot. But a few weeks later, when I started hearing these statements during interviews for AD jobs, or reading them on industry forums, they started to really bother me. I felt like the concepts of “you get what you pay for”, or “fast, cheap, and good; pick two” were not being applied. I made the video mostly to address these misconceptions, with a bit of passive-aggressive, profane humor.
Is the cinematographer in the video based on any single figure or on a composite, or is it your own musings based on experiences?
This character is a fantasy based on myself and several of my friends. He’s a hyperbolic interpretation of many frustrations caused by not being understood. Every trade in the filmmaking process has its set of challenges, and making people aware of them without coming off as the person who says “No” is a delicate endeavor. My character just says it, because in real life, we can’t. On the job we’re faced with real people, who are also trying to do their job. If their job is to produce an independent feature under a certain budget, then we have to respect that. The frustration comes when the conversation ends.
What is the source of the “technical” banter between the two figures? Overheard on the set or in pre-production meetings? Or listening to an encounter similar to the one you present?
I’ve had all of the conversations that are portrayed in the video, with lots of people. I was never as sarcastic and patronizing, and to be fair, my interlocutors were never brain-dead cartoon animals, but they were just as misinformed. The technical banter came from identifying the limitations of the camera as they became apparent, through my own experience as well as through conversations with disgruntled cinematographer friends. The “skin tones that clip at a stop over key” comment I’m sorry to say came from my DI session, when I asked to bring a young lady’s exposure level down a touch. My colorist looked at me and shook his head “It’s clipped.” I remember metering that and thinking, “It’s one stop, I’ll be fine.”
Have you worked on film as well as digital movies? How were they finished and distributed or screened?
I’ve worked as an AD on movies shot on both film and digital cameras, and have learned that the choice of a camera system can have a major impact on many other aspects of the filmmaking process, more than the budget and the look.
I see cinematographers dealing with a narrower dynamic range on the digital cameras; they are forced to use more lights, or cut more sunlight. They deal with these issues usually very successfully. I’ve seen some digitally shot movies that are very impressive. They hold up to their photo-chemically shot counterparts very well in the distribution world.
I think it’s a question of what the script can handle. In the summer of 2007, I was lucky enough to work on The Hurt Locker. And although I can’t speak for our cinematographer Barry Ackroyd, it’s hard to imagine shooting that movie on anything but film. Not only because of its better handling of high contrast such as you encounter on sunny Jordanian afternoons in the desert, but also because of the rugged nature of the environment and the adequate robustness of the cameras Barry chose. You can put those Aaton cameras through a lot of abuse, but they will still come through for you.
Do you find any consensus regarding film vs. video shooting among the young and emerging cinematographers that you know and work with?
With a lot of film schools ironically removing photochemical cinematography from their curricula, many of the young cinematographers that I encounter are coming out of a strictly video world. It isn’t until they get their hands on some film and spend time color-correcting it that they really start to prefer it. That experience speaks to the broader issue of “film vs. video”, the question of an image looking “good”. We’ve gotten to the point where some of these digital cameras look really good, “cinematic”, “film-like”, when used in the right circumstances. What the debate too often omits is the fact that capturing an image is the first half of the cinematography process. What you do with that raw image is the rest. And what film brings to that step is a wealth of stored information, which helps you craft a superior image.
Is digital video the future of movies? Will film (35mm) survive? Or will both media be options?
Digital cinema is here and should be embraced. If your budget doesn’t allow for film, and your story can take being shot on a digital camera, then that’s what you have to do. Some of these cameras are wonderful tools and I am thrilled that they exist.
That being said, I don’t think that film is going to disappear any time soon. I believe that most of your colleagues at the ASC would agree that film is still the best medium to photograph a motion picture. And above a certain budget level, the camera system’s cost is negligible enough to allow the use of film. I read a few weeks ago that Wally Pfister had expressed the desire to shoot the next Batman entirely on 70mm film. I can’t imagine anyone disagreeing with the fact that that promises to be a beautiful movie-going experience.
Digital cinema cameras have a lot of ground to catch up. But where digital cinema has become a permanent fixture is in the post-production and exhibition stages. A movie shot on film, run through a 4K DI, and shown on a 4K projector is something spectacular to see.
Although you have worked as cinematographer, it is not your primary job. From your perspective as an AD, how would you describe the role of the cinematographer in traditional filmmaking, and how do you think that role has changed (if it has) with the growing ubiquity of digital origination—”capture?”
As I understand the history of the position, the cinematographer has always been responsible for the capturing of the visual component of the story being told. In so far as filmmaking still requires the use of a camera and a crew to light the set, the cinematographer’s role hasn’t really changed as far as I can tell. But with the advent of digital cinema cameras, what I have noticed is a slight shift in the cinematographer’s status. With these high-resolution monitors on set now, and LUTs being applied to the raw feeds in real time, some of the apparent sorcery is gone. On some sets, the light meter doesn’t have the final word anymore, the monitor does. That leaves a lot more room for second-guessing, and micro managing. Not to say that it happens all the time, but the door is ajar for those who choose to kick it in.
Do you have an opinion about 3-D, about whether it’s a “gimmick” that will be employed for special, large-scale films or will it be chosen for intimate, dramatic films as well? Will 3-D run its course, as it has several times in the past, or will employment of the new digital technology prove to be transformative and condemn 2-D to the dustbin?
3-D is one issue that I have a hard time sounding. I’ve talked to people who love it and people who hate it. It seems to have a natural place in the large-scale action oriented films and has a chance of remaining popular the same way color, widescreen, and surround sound all did. I think the discussion is going to further concentrate on the type of 3-D to use: stereoscopic 3-D, 2-D–3-D conversions, or even the future 2-D digital cameras with high enough resolution to potentially achieve the feeling of 3-D.
I personally would love to be able to make 2-D dramas on 35mm film and show them to my future grandchildren, if they’re so kind as to indulge me.
One of the most intriguing comments I received responding to the essay about your video was from a Portuguese filmmaker named Tiago Carvalho. In part he said, “These are for sure exciting times, for the people, who, like me, still have the dream of making cinema. It has never been cheaper. But one thing is certain; there is no respect for cinema anymore.”
“It´s a soul problem, not a physical one, and it´s something that cannot be undone. Unfortunately it seems that the “soul” will only be regained if the “body” itself starts getting the same respect. The cinema image has to evolve, and keep itself on a high pedestal. It has to become more elitist then ever. Something that will certainly not happen, and that will proclaim, for once [and all] the death of cinema. It will be/is the start of a new age of cinema.”
So, Nic, do you have any reaction to this dystopian view?
I do sense a kind of soulessness. I felt the same thing when I was studying in Paris. DV cameras were everywhere by then, and every day I met people who wanted to make movies with them. But the respect for the craft wasn’t there. It was almost like these young people wanted to play filmmaker for a while, but never went deep enough to become real storytellers. I think that these inexpensive cameras offer a glimpse into filmmaking. They can be excellent learning tools. But when there’s a real story to be told, they become a hindrance to it.
What are your own plans for the future?
I’ve been getting some 2nd unit director work and hope to pursue that aggressively. But really, I plan on being as close to the camera as possible, whether it’s an Arri 435, a Panavision Millennium, a Red, an Arri Alexa. That’s where I learned to make movies. And that’s where I hope to continue to learn, watching and helping great filmmakers tell stories, and someday telling my own.
Curious about what format had been chosen for the most recent movie Nic had worked on, I asked him.
Martin Matiasek, a very talented DP, and great friend, shot From the Head on super 16 anamorphic. Panavision Hollywood got us the camera from the UK. The whole movie was shot on 7217, 17 days at Mack Sennet stages in Silverlake, 1 day at a club location.
I told him that the thesis film I photographed at USC Cinema in the late 60s was B/W 16mm anamorphic. The format was an oddity then, but in our catch-all DV age, it just may have a new viability.
THREE
Although Nic Harvard’s technical referents in today’s mixed film and digital worlds are of their time, the fundamental issues and concerns are, it seems to me, to be those of earnest filmmakers of any generation. One of the greatest challenges we have is finding how to blend the technical and aesthetic elements of filmmaking into creating a compelling and engaging emotional experience for the viewer. Throughout film history there have been cinematographers who have excelled at this. Here are two of them, different generations, both great artists:
In a panel discussion at CineGear in 2006, George Spiro Dibie, ASC moderated a discussion with a group of esteemed ASC cinematographers, among whom were Owen Roizman, Lászlo Kovács, Daryn Okada, Rodrigo Prieto, Russell Carpenter, and Darius Wolski. Asked to name the “best of the best,” THE cinematographer of film history—they all chose Gregg Toland.
Toland died young at 44, on September 26, 1948, of coronary thrombosis. He won an Academy Award not for his work on Citizen Kane in 1941 but for Wuthering Heights two years earlier. Between 1936 and 1942, Toland received five Oscar nominations. For many generations of cinematographers Toland has represented the “gold standard” for a level of creativity that all cinematographers aspire to.
Last fall, I had decided to write an essay on Gregg Toland’s work, but I set it aside to do the four-part series on Karl Struss.
John Bailey’s Bailwick—“Karl Struss, A Tripod in Two Worlds: Part One”—New York link
But thoughts of Toland’s work have stayed with me for months, and have led me to a viewing of many of his lesser known films, including the anomalous Disney film, Song of the South, a film rarely seen today, partly because of its racial cliches.
A few days before last Christmas I decided to make a spiritual pilgrimage to visit Gregg Toland. He is interred in Los Angeles at the final resting place of so many legendary movie stars, the Hollywood Forever cemetery on Santa Monica Blvd., abutting the northern perimeter of Paramount Studios. A guard at the gate pointed me toward a low structure just west of the main entrance. I parked next to a non-descript low structure. Once inside the mausoleum, I discovered a sky lit arcade with a central fountain. There were a series of polygonal columns containing small vitrines housing various shaped urns.
I found Toland’s urned ashes and read that his middle name is Wesley. Surprisingly, the urn is shaped like a bronzed book. It is placed behind a glass panel without ornamentation, but clearly in a place of regard. I stayed there for some time reflecting about the man, and of a life cut short before reaching its prime. The brilliance and kinetic pace of Toland’s career belies this quiet resting place. Had Gregg Toland lived a full span of life, my generation of cinematographers surely would have known him.
Toland was not only among the greatest cinematographers in all film history; he was a tireless technical innovator. Seen from this perspective, his work on Song of the South was an inevitability, not an aberrance. The deep focus lensing that he began even in his mentoring years with George Barnes became his own signature style. Having reached an apotheosis in Citizen Kane and The Little Foxes, it was provident for this artist to try something new, such as combining live action and animation.
One can’t help but wonder what might have been his thoughts on the challenges and opportunities facing today’s young filmmakers in a world of mixed media and digital legerdemain. What would he have thought about the discussions we are having concerning the changing role of the cinematographer? Just how, one can ask, would Toland, Struss, Howe, Coutard or Young have responded to tyro or bottom lined producers and executives bent on dictating to them how and with what equipment they were to photograph their films?










Hi John,
As you know, I work in a film lab and post production facility. About a year ago, I was watching dailies for two features, one shot on 35mm anamorphic and one shot on the Red. Both starred Academy Award winning actresses, so money for the actual productions was tight.
The Red show was a comedy but since the cost of stock wasn’t an issue, they could shoot endlessly. Sometimes they would leave the camera on during lunch or while the director was blocking a scene, or sometimes just use the camera to capture audio. Since much of the feature was shot hand-held, the lighting was kept fairly “safe” to allow shooting from any angle.
The film show was a stylized thriller, using split field diopters, cranes, macro lenses, fish eye POV’s, but they were limited to 3000′ per day. So every shot was story-boarded and they rarely filmed more than 5 takes. The lighting was very theatrical, sort of film noir. I remember thinking, “this feels more like a movie”.
Now I would like to tell you that the film show was wildly successful and the Red show flopped.
Well the Red feature has grossed about 7 million dollars, after 12 weeks in release. I saw the final movie and found it funny and touching. Most reviews gave it four out of five stars. Perhaps the studio didn’t market it strongly enough.
The feature that was shot on film, reshot for two weeks, following test screenings and still hasn’t been released.
But the choice of equipment will have little to do with whether or not this film succeeds or fails. As in the case of the Red show, if the film isn’t advertised or marketed properly, it might not find an audience, even if it deserves it. In the end, the studio gave it the green light, suggested changes after tests and will promote it. In effect they were the final editors.
I remember when I used to write letters to the editor of my local newspaper, trying to save the whales, or the environment. I wrote and re-wrote my letters, trying to make them good enough to stand up to the editor’s critical eye. It was a thrill to see my words in print and I’d run out and buy multiple copies of the LA Times.
Now with the internet, EVERYONE can see their words in print. Maybe that’s not such a good idea. Read any article on the web and then check the readers comments. If that’s a cross section of America, we’ve got problems! Grammar and syntax are as non-existant as critical thinking. Have this countries residents become more stupid or were their comments just hidden to us before?
The Cinematographer vs. Producer video is very funny and sadly, true. We’ve all had to bite our tongue, listening to a producer who knows just enough to be dangerous. As a result, the video has been viewed 50,000 times. If that were the only clip you’d ever seen on YouTube, you would assume it was a treasure trove of art. But most of the clips are mindless drivel, because there is no editor on YouTube. EVERYONE can upload their videos but only the good ones go viral.
The problem with that concept in movie production (make millions of movies and one will be good) is that they cost so much to make. So the studios play it “safe” by creating endless sequels and remakes.
In a capitalist society, aren’t we supposed to reward companies that make good products by buying them and punish the ones that don’t by letting them fail? Maybe a few studios have to go out of business so that the remaining companies will try something else. I’ll be waiting for the big screen version of your blogs.
This has been a good series. Very cool that you interviewed Nic DH. The conversation brought to mind two things. The first is very casual (and very internet-meta) but fun and on topic.
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/imstillhere/
The clip they just posted for I’m Still Here (which the cynic in me says must be a fake documentary) is a great back and forth between Phoenix and Sean Combs (Diddy). Diddy bites Phoenix’s head off for not treating music recording with the same respect and care the he gives to filmmaking. It’s great and only a couple minutes long.
The other thing that is called to mind is the section of Kazan on Directing where he lambasts Orson Welles for being more interested in the “production” elements of theater – where actors will stand, and the exact moment they will cross the stage from darkness into the light – at the expense of the human elements. “In Mr. Welles productions there is a certain vitality and energy, but no sense of the thick fabric of life, of its real BODY.” My question, to myself and to everyone I talk to these days is this: does shooting digital free us to seek out the thick fabric of life? We must accept images of a lower Quality (that capital Q Quality that Godard and Truffaut raged against), of course, but the trade off is, perhaps, more connection with the real body of human living. OR, maybe shooting digital, with its sloppy speed, just produces a lot of vitality and energy, but no real insight. The appearance of life, but nothing of its real character.
I don’t know. But given my student status and threadbare bank accounts, I’m inclined to think – out of self-interest – that the digital revolution is a return to the thick stuff of life. Messy, confused, not always pretty, but alive and beating all the same.
To Ben of the UCLA;
if you want the “thick fabrique of life” follow Mr. Werner Herzog’s advice and start walking.
It seems that the history of making images is moving at a faster pace than we can ever keep up with, quickly being absorbed into a newer history – a dragon eating its own tail. The proliferation of digital camera systems and the steady march away from film origination indeed seems distressing because so intricate to manage. Yet as professional cinematographers, who practice both the art and craft, our job is to manage this stuff. Which is all the more reason to stay ‘current’, however you can. In my own case, I find teaching helpful. When you are both a working cinematographer and a teacher, you soon find that your students are not only those wonderfully eager people you meet in your classrooms, but also the directors and producers for and with whom you work. Because they all, no matter how knowledgeable, are just as needful to understand the old as they are convinced they need to grasp the new. But it is the new most of them want, and it is the new you have to be prepared as a professional to provide. It would be great if the director (and the producer concurring) would say, these are the shots, now you get them, with whatever cameras, lights, media you need to use. Your choice! Budget no obstacle. Dream on, Frederic! As cinematographers we find ourselves advising during pre-production, whether we get paid to do that or not. And advising during post, whether we get paid to do that or not. We must be knowledgeable about the workflow of the various media for each of the camera systems we work with. If workflow issues are not planned in prep, post can be a nightmare. The original intent for the ‘look’, or mood, which has so much to do with the cinematographer’s job telling the story, could be lost in the shuffle. John Toll, ASC, has said that the cinematographer must be the “guardian of the image.” It’s a responsibility not to be taken lightly. But that’s the job.